In SNT application for 3 phases. How to connect three phases to a private house? Advantages and disadvantages of a three-phase power supply system

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You can order from us removal of electricity meters to poles in SNT(power line supports or pipe stand), this event, at correct execution technical part, makes it possible to significantly reduce unaccounted for electricity consumption (electricity theft), which is ubiquitous in SNT and other dacha associations in which there is no proper control over metering devices within the partnership itself. Accordingly, payments for electricity are collected in smaller amounts than actually paid. The result is that all SNT pays for electricity stolen by individuals, because network organization(CO) only the “calculated” electricity meter for transformer substation, from which this SNT is powered, and not the electrical equipment inside it. The reason for the discrepancy in the CO readings is not of interest. Putting things in order this issue, is the interest of the SNT members themselves.

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How to bring order to payments for electricity in SNT? Options in terms of technical solution This problem is currently sufficient. From the simplest and cheapest, when in compliance with PUE standards, only the installation of simple modifications on electricity meter poles is carried out, without the possibility of telemetry (remote control and data transmission), before the installation of automated automated control systems for automated accounting of electricity consumption (ASKUE) in SNT ( automated system commercial electricity metering). Including, on the most technically modern radio options, in a very interesting price sector, allowing you to organize such energy accounting in SNT for electric meters with radio module, described in more detail on our website for these systems in the ASKUE radio section, below conditional diagram With brief description structures of such technology (click on the picture to enlarge).

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Good day!
I turn to the collective wisdom for help.
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SNT, new transformer (replaced the old one 3 years ago), distributed along the poles with SIP.
Last year I tore down the old one panel house, installed a change house at the entrance, which became a building for equipment and will remain in this place forever. Since the previous chairman saved on poles and installed them every 2 sections (the distance between the poles is 45-50 m), it was extremely inconvenient for me to connect, at my own expense I installed an additional pole outside my site, from which I had already connected temporarily for the duration of the demolition old and construction of a new house 3 phases, metering board in the change house. From the change house underground, underground cables were laid (VVGng to HDPE) to 2 more buildings in which we now live.
SIP arrives by air into a plastic box on external wall change houses -> 3-pole circuit breaker 25A. -> VVG-ng 5x10 through a metal sleeve in the wall inside the change house into the input metering and distribution board.
In the input switchboard VA 25A -> 3-phase meter -> RCD 40A 100mA (fire), then automatic circuit breakers: 1st phase for consumers in the cabin, 2nd and 3rd for two buildings on the site. The buildings have their own local input panels with differential. machine guns, machine guns and more.
Grounding has not been done and this is a separate upcoming headache, it remains to be seen which system is better to use: TN-C-S or TT.
Judging by who pulled the lines and how, they had not heard of re-grounding on poles. I found only 1 pole out of 6 on our street with a rod from top to bottom, but I’m not at all sure that it is somewhere connected to the PEN at the top. Therefore, I have no confidence at all that if a zero burns out somewhere along the way to me, everything will not go through my local grounding.

A new one was built over the winter. frame house, planned for permanent residence. Now the question of connection has arisen, I have already racked my brains about how best to do it. On the one hand, there are PUE, in compliance with the requirements of which it is better not to supply electricity to the house (wooden), on the other hand, the PUE is physical. there is no decree for individuals, but security must be ensured at a sufficient level.

There are 2 options:
1. (I really don’t want to do it) Transfer overhead line(SIP) with external box (with automatic machine) on the facade of the house, hole in the wall (wall thickness 35 cm), entry through steel pipe the room on the 2nd floor is already VVG-ng 10 sq. m. m, laying it inextricably from the second floor to the boiler room to the first (again in metal pipe?). In this case, where should the re-grounding wire be inserted and where should the PEN be divided into PE and N (in the case of a TN-C-S system)?

2. Leave air entry to the change house as it is now, insert the SIP into the machine in the external panel on the wall, introduce re-grounding there, separate into PE and N and then underground copper cable 5x10 via mortgage plastic pipe under strip foundation enter into the boiler room. The back-up pipe is already coming out of the boiler room, although it is a 50 mm sewer pipe, but after some trouble, you can replace it with some other one. Move the existing metering panel with a meter to the same boiler room. The distance between the change house and the house is 10 m. Can the incoming wire (PE) be considered normal grounding or do another re-grounding near the house?

I want to do option 2 so as not to drill a difficult pie frame house, do not distort the facade and ceilings. Does this have a right to life? And if not, then why? By common sense or by PUE?

Transfer input panel with counter on street pole I don’t consider it OUTSIDE of my site at all, I don’t want to and that’s it. And he proved that he is not obliged to do this on general meeting SNT. Yes, they steal from us too, but installing a meter on a pole does not solve the problem of theft in any way, but it adds a wonderful opportunity for marginal elements to do whatever they want with my expensive equipment.

Thanks in advance to everyone who responded!

The act of checking the condition of the sites and the correct connection of buildings and power lines (case file No. and case file No.) established that on site No. (V.V. Safonov) there is a 380 V connection; at site No. (Ionova L.A.) -390 V and 220 V; on site No. (Kharutsa K.I.) - 380V. Thus, the court found that Kharutsa K.I., Ionova L.A., Safonov V.V. in Southern Electric Networks - a branch of OJSC "MOESK" with an application for permission to connect a three-phase electrical supply from two-phase they did not contact, as follows from the information of OJSC MOESK Moscow United Electric Grid Company Southern Electricity of the net, however, they made an unauthorized connection of three-phase electrical power. Kharutsa K.I., Ionova L.A., Safonov V.V. did not agree with SNT on the allocation of consumed electricity capacity to them, and did not enter into a corresponding agreement with the energy supply organization.

380v in st.

Based on the above and guided by Article 195, 198 of the Code of Civil Procedure of the Russian Federation, the court decided: To oblige the members of SNT “Rest”: Kharutsa FULL NAME47, DD.MM.YYYYr.r., to carry out work at their own expense to disconnect from house No. No. in SNT "Rest", located at:<адрес, электрического напряжения 380 В, и подключению электрического напряжения 220 В, в соответствии с Проектом ВЛ-0.4 кв. Ионову ФИО48, ДД.ММ.ГГГГг.р., место рождения <адрес, произвести работы за счет своих средств, по отключению от дома № № в СНТ «Отдых», расположенного по адресу: <адрес, электрического напряжения 380 В, и подключению электрического напряжения 220 В, в соответствии с Проектом ВЛ-0.4 кв.

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Connection of a power of 15 kW to the SNT by an individual gardener

Moscow region Consisting of: presiding judge N.N. Gracheva Under secretary M.I. Anokhina Having considered in open court civil case No. 2-125/12 on the claim of SNT "Rest" against Kharutsa, Full Name17, Ionova, Full Name18, Safonov, Full Name19, regarding the imposition of the obligation to disconnect the electrical voltage of 380 V and the imposition of the obligation to connect the electrical voltage of 220 V, the claim of Kharutsa, Full Name20 , Ionova FULL NAME21, Safonova FULL NAME22 to SNT "Rest" to invalidate the decisions of the general meeting from DD.MM.YYYY and from DD.MM.YYYY, established: SNT "Rest" filed a lawsuit against Kharutsa FULL NAME23, Ionova FULL NAME24, Safonov FULL NAME25 about imposing the obligation to disconnect the electrical voltage 380 V and imposing the obligation to connect the electrical voltage 220 V, referring to the fact that the Defendants, being members of the CIS "Otdykh" and the owners of garden land plots: Kharutsa K.I. - plot no.

How to connect 380V to SNT?

SNT carried out the construction of a transformer substation and power lines, everyone invested the same amount, including the defendants. All four partnerships operate the power line and transformer substation, and all bear the costs of necessary transformer repair costs (burnout, short circuit). The project took into account the number of sections and the norm for each section (about 200V), it is necessary to order a new project, a new transformer or install an additional one and find funds for this.
To the new DD.MM.YYYY. in SNT “Otdykh” the lights went out because the wires in the transformer were burning.

New rules for connecting to electrical networks in SNT

SNT "Rest" represented by its representative by proxy - Dyachuk E.D., does not agree with the said claim. OJSC MOESK Moscow United Electric Grid Company Southern Electric Networks was notified of the time and place of the trial, provided written information on the case, from which, in particular, it follows that the distribution of power between gardeners, including the establishment of power consumption limiters, changes in the power supply project for garden houses , technological connection of power receiving devices of SNT members are within the competence of the general meeting of SNT... The district branch of Southern Electric Networks Stupinsky Distribution Zone, the time and place of the trial has been notified. SNT "Poddubki" represented by the chairman of the board L.P. Maslennikova.

SNT “Rest” supports the claim, explaining that in DD.MM.YYYY.

Connecting electricity to SNT

All work on the construction of SNT power lines on SNT land (purchase of poles, wires, laying wires across SNT areas, supply lines to SNT houses) is carried out not by electricity supply organizations, but at the expense of SNT members, under the leadership of SNT, with SNT staff forces and resources electricians. Control over the compliance of power lines with the Project, control over the connection of wires from the pole to the house is carried out not by the electricity supply organization, but by SNT with its electricians; control over the consumption, leakage, and theft of electricity is also carried out not by the electricity supply organization, but by SNT with the help of its electricians. By decision of the general meeting dated DD.MM.YYYGt. a commission was created to check the correct connection of the power lines, from poles to houses No., No., No.

Case No. not determined

In accordance with the Federal Law “On horticultural, gardening and dacha non-profit associations of citizens”, issues of organizing the construction, repair and maintenance of buildings, structures, structures, utility networks, roads and other public facilities fall within the competence of the SNT board, on the basis of which decision the chairman of the board SNT makes deals. The court found that DD.MM.YYYY between Mosenergosbyt OJSC and Otdykh SNT concluded an energy supply agreement N No., (ld.no.) under the terms of which Mosenergosbyt OJSC supplies and the defendant buys electrical energy for domestic consumption on the terms stipulated by the contract.
Who is responsible for coordinating the route of power lines? The consumer purchases a plot of land, applies for a technical connection, and it is the network organization that must regulate the construction of its network passages to the consumer’s connected land plot, without shifting its problems to the consumer. How do owners of plots in SNT who are not members of the partnership get involved? If a person is a member of a gardening partnership, then the rules determine that the application for technical connection must be made by a legal entity - that is, the partnership itself. In this case, the connection will be made at the border of the partnership’s land mass: the electric grid company extends the line only to the border of the gardening partnership. And then the latter must build an extensive network through contributions from members of the association.
Project VL-0.4kv. at its own expense, up to DD.MM.YYYY. Oblige Safonov FULL NAME28 to carry out work but disconnect from<адрес, электрическое напряжение 380 В. и подключить электрическое напряжение 220В.. в соответствии с Проектом BЛ -0.4 кв. за счет своих средств, до ДД.ММ.ГГГГ. Харуца К.И., Ионова Л.А., Сафонов В.В. в лице своего представителя по доверенности- Берлад Н.А.
the claim was not recognized and they filed a claim against SNT “Otdykh”, in which they ask the court: To invalidate the decision of the general meeting of the horticultural non-profit partnership “Otdykh” OGRN No., drawn up by protocol No. dated DD.MM.YYYY, regarding the assignment of responsibilities to the owner of plot No. Kharutsa, Full Name29, owner of plot No. Ionov, Full Name30, owner of plot No. Safonov, Full Name31, within the period before DD.MM.YYYY, reconnect their plots according to the design documentation of the horticultural non-profit partnership "Otdykh" from 380 Volts to 220 Volts.

Is it possible to connect 380 through a neighbor's plot in SNT

The power transmission line project of SNT "Otdykh" without the appropriate permission and without the knowledge of SNT "Otdykh" The actions of the defendants caused significant harm to the team of SNT "Otdykh", which was expressed in depriving SNT "Otdykh" of the opportunity to install an electronic system for monitoring electricity consumption in the absence of proper control over consumption, leakage, theft and large losses of electricity. The defendants submitted an application to SNT "Rest" with a request to allow them to connect the voltage from the pole to the house, instead of 220 volts. 380 volts, however, by the decision of the general meeting dated DD.MM.YYYY they were refused and it was explained that the meeting does not have the authority to resolve such issues and cannot make changes to the SNT “Otdykh” Power Line Project. By the decision of the general meeting of SNT dated DD.MM.YYYY, the defendants were asked to voluntarily carry out work to switch the voltage from the poles to their homes from 380 V until DD.MM.YYYY.
at 220 V..

Stavropol District Court of the Samara Region, composed of: Judge O.V. Bolokhova, with the participation of the representative of the plaintiff R.M. Almushev. by proxy, representatives of the defendant - Verstova S.V. by proxy, Isaeva S.V. ex officio, under the secretary V.I. Gasimov, having considered in open court civil case No. 2-1880/13 on the claim of Yuri Mikhailovich Sachko against SNT “UYUT” to recognize the actions of persons as illegal, to eliminate obstacles in the use of electrical networks,

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Sachko Yu.M. filed a lawsuit against SNT "Uyut" to declare illegal the actions of SNT "Uyut" to limit the amount of electricity consumed, to impose obligations not to limit the amount of electricity consumed, to restore the connection of three-phase power supply with the installation of a 35 ampere circuit breaker, the installation of metering devices and automatic switch at a height of 08 to 1.7 meters.

In support of his claims, he indicated that he is the owner of a plot of land for collective gardening at the address: On his summer cottage, a house was built in which he permanently resides. By a court decision dated DD.MM.YYYY, the court ordered SNT "UYUT" to connect its site to the power supply, but the site was connected using a single-phase circuit, and previously it had a three-phase circuit. He believes that the defendant is violating his rights by illegally limiting the amount of electricity. Also, the illegality of the actions lies in the fact that when connecting his house to electricity, a circuit breaker with a current of 4 amperes was installed, and the distribution box was installed with a meter at a height of 8 meters from the ground, instead of the 0.8 - 1.7 meters required by law . At the time of the illegal shutdown, he had a 35-amp circuit breaker and three-phase power installed. His house has electrical appliances that require a three-phase power supply to operate. He believes that the defendant’s illegal actions do not allow him to use electricity in the amount that he used before the illegal shutdown.

At the court hearing, the plaintiff's representative supported the claim.

The representative of the defendant did not admit the claim, pointing out that the KTP substation belongs to SNT “UYUT” and was built through contributions from members of SNT, to which Sachko Yu.M. not applicable. This substation is designed for a power of 400 kW, for 410 sections, that is, less than 1 kW of power per consumer. The plaintiff’s site is supplied with power according to the technical capabilities of the substation owned by SNT “UYUT”. All consumers of SNT "UYUT" are connected according to a single-phase circuit. Currently, the issue of connecting a three-phase power supply is being resolved with the energy supply organization. There is no technical possibility to connect the plaintiff’s site to a three-phase power supply. This will violate the rights of members of the SNT, to which the plaintiff does not belong and at whose expense the KTP was acquired. Also, such a connection can create an emergency situation due to network overvoltage. SNT "UYUT" has the right to install electricity meters on the pole and limit the supply of electricity to the building to 0.8 kW. This decision was made by the general meeting of members of SNT “UYUT” and was the subject of proceedings by the Stavropol District Court.

It is indicated that the meter, which controls the supply of electrical energy to Yu.M. Sachko’s garden house, was installed on a support located opposite his house in accordance with the decision made by the members of the partnership. This meter is the property of the partnership. With an application to install his own meter, Sachko Yu.M. I did not contact the board of SNT “UYUT”. There are no laws regulating the installation height of the control meter.

There are no violations of the legislation on the electric power industry in the actions of the electricity transmission partnership, which was established by the decision of the Stavropol District Court dated DD.MM.YYYY on the application of SNT “UYUT” to recognize the prosecutor’s submission dated DD.MM.YYYY as illegal.

It is believed that the plaintiff’s stated demand to connect a three-phase power supply with the installation of a circuit breaker with a current of 35 amperes infringes on the rights and interests of the members of the partnership, at whose expense the electrical networks were created.

The plaintiff's house is connected to electrical networks owned by the partnership. Energy supply to SNT is carried out in accordance with the terms of the agreement concluded with OJSC Samaraenergo, which established the volume of energy supplied. The evidence presented by the plaintiff to justify the circumstances of connecting the garden house to the power supply is inadequate. Thus, the act No. of inspection and technical verification of electrical energy was signed as the chairman of SNT, FULL NAME7 DD.MM.YYYY, while by the decision of the Stavropol District Court dated DD.MM.YYYY, the election of FULL NAME8 as chairman of SNT was declared illegal. The act dated DD.MM.YYYY was drawn up and signed by members of the commission who are not members of SNT.

It is believed that there are no grounds for connecting a garden house to a three-phase power supply. They ask that the claims be dismissed.

The representative of Samaraenergo OJSC, which was involved in the case as a third party, requests that the case be considered in his absence.

From the review of Samaraenergo OJSC it follows that between Samaraenergo OJSC and SNT "UYUT" an energy supply agreement No. dated DD.MM.YYYY was concluded (type of agreement - equivalent to the population). Contractual relations with Sachko Yu.M. OJSC Samaraenergo does not have.

Having heard the parties and examined the case materials, the court finds no grounds to satisfy the claims.

The court established and the case materials confirm that Sachko owns a plot of land intended for collective gardening at the address:

Member of SNT "COMFORT" Sachko Yu.M. is not, is a member of another SNT - “Russian Field”.

By the court decision dated DD.MM.YYYY SNT “UYUT” was obliged to connect electricity to the plaintiff’s garden plot at the expense of the partnership.

The court decision has been implemented. No decision was made at the general meeting to connect the plaintiff’s site to a three-phase circuit.

Based on this decision, the bailiff of the Vsevolozhsk OSSP initiated enforcement proceedings.

The ruling of the Stavropol District Court dated DD.MM.YYYY SNT "UYUT" refused to clarify the court's decision.

The act of carrying out enforcement actions from DD.MM.YYYY confirms that on the specified day, in the presence of witnesses and parties to the enforcement proceedings, the supply of electricity from the SNT switchboard to the equipment of the plaintiff’s house was restored.

DD.MM.YYYY The bailiff issued a resolution to terminate the enforcement proceedings.

In accordance with paragraph 2 of Art. 8 of the Federal Law of April 15, 1998 N 66-FZ “On gardening, vegetable gardening and dacha non-profit associations of citizens”, citizens conducting gardening, vegetable gardening or dacha farming individually on the territory of a horticultural, gardening or dacha non-profit association have the right to use infrastructure facilities and other common property of a gardening, vegetable gardening or dacha non-profit association for a fee under the terms of agreements concluded with such an association in writing in the manner determined by the general meeting of members of the gardening, vegetable gardening or dacha non-profit association.

DECIDED:

In satisfying the claims of Yuri Mikhailovich Sachko to SNT "UYUT" to recognize as illegal the actions of SNT "UYUT" to limit the amount of electricity consumed, to impose obligations not to limit the amount of electricity consumed, to restore the connection of three-phase power supply with the installation of a circuit breaker with a current of 35 amperes, to install metering devices and an automatic switch at a height of 08 to 1.7 meters - refuse.

The decision can be appealed within a month from the date of production of the decision in final form to the Samara Regional Court through the Stavropol District Court.

The reasoned decision was made on October 28, 2013.

Court: